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    The Arrogance of Nancy Pelosi
    August 25, 2008

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    Let’s go to Pelosi.  This was on Meet the Press yesterday.  I want you
    to hear this, and we’ll comment after it.  Tom Brokaw said, “Senator
    Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his ‘pay grade,’
    when whether you’re looking at it ‘scientifically or theologically,’ if
    he were to come and say, ‘Help me out here Madam Speaker,’ what would
    you tell him?”

    As an ardent practicing Catholic, uh, this is an issue that I have
    studied for a long time.  And what I know is over the centuries, the
    doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition, and,
    uh, Senator — uh, I’m — Senator — Uh, St. Augustin’ (sic) said at
    three months.  We don’t know.  The point is is that it shouldn’t have
    an impact on a woman’s right to choose.  Roe v. Wade talks about very
    clear definitions of when the child — uh, eh, er, first trimester,
    certain considerations second trimester, not so third trimester. The —
    the — there’s very clear distinctions.

    RUSH:  You know, folks,
    this is just embarrassing. As I’ve often wondered, is she genuinely
    this uneducated, uninformed, silly, stupid, whatever — and I’ve
    concluded there isn’t a word to describe the status of her brain.  The
    Catholic Church doesn’t know? The Catholic Church hasn’t stipulated? 
    The “doctors” at the Catholic Church?  You mean the pope goes and
    consults the doctors to find out when life begins? Really?  The doctors
    have more to say than God-d?  I mean, Nancy, cite anybody.  Don’t cite
    the Catholic Church.  You’re putting them in an untenable position. 
    You’re fixing it so every priest, no matter how wacko left the priest
    might be, cannot support you.  Good grief, ladies and gentlemen!  Life
    begins at conception.  Where else can it begin?  

    Peggy Noonan
    had a great way — I’m going to have to paraphrase what she wrote — of
    reducing this to its most simple, its most elemental.  If life doesn’t
    begin at conception, then why the hell wear a condom?  If life doesn’t
    begin at conception, then why the hell take the pill?  Well, the church
    doesn’t allow the pill. I know the church doesn’t allow the pill
    because life begins at conception — and the church is not cool on
    condoms, either, logoed or otherwise.  But that’s the point.  This is
    not something that we’ve been arguing about for centuries.  St.
    Augustine said life begins at three months?  St. Augustine knew that
    Roe v. Wade was going to come along and basically say the same thing? 
    Ed Morrissey, writing at the Hot Air blog, has done yeoman’s research
    into this.  

    He writes today: “The notion that the Catholic
    Church declared abortion a sin at the same time as the Pill is patently
    absurd, and shows that Pelosi has either lied about studying the issue
    in terms of Church history or lied about what she found.  Church
    writings specifically naming abortion as murder appear as early as 70
    AD in the Didache, the first written catechism of the Christian church:
    … ‘Tertullian, sometimes known as the Father of the Latin Church,
    wrote with equal clarity and force: “In our case, a murder being once
    for all forbidden, we may not destroy even the fetus in the womb, while
    as yet the human being derives blood from the other parts of the body
    for its sustenance.'” This is AD 179, the year 179, following year 70.
    “The Catholic catechism is extremely clear on the nature of its
    position on human life, and has been remarkably consistent on this
    point for almost 2,000 years, and it finds that position in the Old
    Testament.  Human life begins at conception, not at birth, and not at
    some point consistent with Roe for convenience.  

    Psalm 51, David refers to his sinfulness beginning at the moment of
    conception, and sinfulness requires physical life and a soul to exist.”
    So there you have it in the Old Testament. The Catholic Church has not
    thrown the Old Testament under the bus, the last time I looked.  This
    is a giant embarrassment, or ought to be.  Where’s Brokaw? Where is the
    media on this? 
    She got away with this kind of inane, insane rambling,
    trying to fit one of the most sacred religious beliefs held by
    Catholics all over the world into a political issue that would conform
    with a rogue Supreme Court decision called Roe v. Wade in 1973.  Now,
    that is hubris. That is arrogance like I cannot believe.  She has
    placed herself above the doctors of the church, above “St. Augustin,”
    as she said. She has placed herself above the pope and everything the
    Catholic Church has ever said about this.  And of course Brokaw just
    sits there, “Heh, heh, heh. Oh. Good.”  Well, that’s not entirely
    true.  Brokaw did challenge her on this.  I have to be honest.  It’s
    with the natural gas business that he just sat there.  He said, “But
    wait a minute, the Catholic Church at the moment feels strongly that
    life begins at the point of conception.”

    PELOSI:  (mumbling) And
    this is, like, 50 years or something like that.  So again, over the
    history, uh, of the church, this is an issue of, uh, controversy.

    No, it’s not an issue of controversy in the church. It’s an issue of
    controversy with the followers, with the parishioners, with the flock
    like you. Note the 50 years.  I’ve always said, “A person’s historical
    perspective begins with the day they were born.”  So her use of 50
    years there, “Well, it’s been a bone of contention, a controversy in
    the church for 50 years,” meaning her adult life.  That’s what she is
    relating it all to. Th-th-th– (sigh) I’m sorry to stutter, folks. I’m
    in stunned bewilderment and disbelief over what I consider to be not
    just stupidity and silliness but arrogance and hubris, and the
    ignorance that these people have over how this kind of comment is going
    to come back and bite her presidential nominee.  I guess she thinks
    that she has to provide some sort of Democrat Party interpretation of
    Catholicism that permits Obama to get away with his infanticide belief.


    RUSH:  Now, look, don’t misunderstand
    me on this, folks.  You’ve got a lot of liberal politicians who, for
    their own purposes, from Mario Cuomo to John Kerry to any number of
    them, will twist the Catholic Church’s doctrine abortion to fit their
    own personal desires to attach firmly the Democrat political policy
    dogma and this sort of thing.  The way Cuomo did it, he did it at Notre
    Dame University, he went to Notre Dame University, and he said, “Of
    course I understand the sanctity of life, I’m pro-life and so forth,
    but I cannot impose my political will, my religious views on people.  I
    cannot impose my religious views on the rest of the country.”  Yet he
    was perfectly comfortable imposing his tax views on the rest of the
    country and every other view he had.  But it was just a cop-out to
    allow him to remain pure to Democrat policy.  But neither Cuomo nor
    Kerry nor any of the others has ever come along and spoken for the
    Catholic Church like Pelosi did yesterday on Meet the Depressed. 
    That’s the arrogance and hubris.  I don’t care whether she said the
    Catholic Church’s doctors or doctrines, some people say she might have
    been saying “doctrines,” doesn’t matter.  She was speaking for the
    Catholic Church, and that’s brazen.  This is going to come back to
    bite.  The, quote, unquote, third most powerful woman in the United
    States of America telling the world what the Catholic Church’s official
    position on life is, the church cannot let this stand.  How they deal
    with it, we’ll just have to wait and see.  


    RUSH: Joseph in Palm Coast, Florida, it’s great to have you on the program, sir.  

    CALLER:  Hi.

    RUSH:  This place was in the path of Fay.  You guys got a lot of rain up there, right?

    CALLER:  Turned off.  Hi.

    RUSH:  Hi.

    CALLER:  I’m a former Catholic priest and a Jesuit, and —

    RUSH:  Wait a minute.  You have to educate me.  What’s a former Catholic priest?

    CALLER:  I was dispense bid Pope Paul VI about 35 years ago from the automations of the priesthood.

    RUSH:  I see.  Okay.

    CALLER:  But I’m still a priest, and times of emergency I can absolve from sin when someone’s in danger of death.

    RUSH:  I see.  Last rites.

    Yeah.  Yeah.  But as to the theology, listening to Pelosi, she is
    misrepresenting what the Catholic church teaches.  For one thing, the
    theologians don’t teach what the Catholic Church teaches unless it’s
    accepted by the church.

    RUSH:  I know.

    CALLER:  St. Augustine —

    RUSH:  You can go to Catholic encyclopedia, you can go anywhere you want. This is just a flat-out expedient political lie.

    CALLER:  Right, but people don’t know that, the people don’t know how the church works.

    Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait.  Just a second here, Joseph. 
    Catholics know it, and there are a lot of them, and the Democrats are
    going to need ’em, and that’s one of the reasons they put Biden on the
    ticket, ’cause he’s a Catholic.

    CALLER:  Right.

    RUSH:  But this isn’t going to fly.  The Catholics know what’s what.

    CALLER:  Right.

    They may get mad at the pope now and then, but Nancy Pelosi is not
    going to be accepted as redefining church doctrine no matter what their
    political points of view are.

    CALLER:  I don’t know.  Some
    people might go along with her, but she’s misleading the public about
    where the church’s teaching comes from.  The pope —

    RUSH:  She’s not “misleading.”  She’s lying!

    CALLER:  Okay. If you want to say that.

    RUSH:  I do want to say that.

    You know, Jesus Christ would not start a church that would lead men
    into error.  That’s why the pope is “infallible in matters of faith and
    morals,” and you can’t make an error when he officially teaches the
    Catholic doctrine.  He can’t make an error.  He can’t tell people
    something that’s going to lead them into error.  And when the council
    defines something, it must first have the approval of the pope before
    it becomes official —

    RUSH:  Exactly.

    CALLER:  — Catholic doctrine.

    And the pope, as we all know, is not Nancy Pelosi.  And we know that
    Pelosi would never be the pope.  The question is, Pope Benedict is
    going to hear about this if he hasn’t.  He cares.  He’s the pope.  He
    cares about the Catholic Church. The most powerful woman in the United
    States of America has just lied about his church.  Something has to
    happen here at some point.  I don’t know what.  I don’t know what steps
    publicly the Catholic Church takes in a situation like this.  But the
    first thing that is going to happen is, American Catholics are going to
    hear about it on this program, just like we have not forgotten, do you
    know that the Drive-By Media nowhere, no place, no how, has played
    Barack Obama when the cameras had shut down in Chester, Virginia, last
    week, praising China and its infrastructure? That has not made it to
    the Drive-Bys.  It will, and if it doesn’t m
    ake it to the Drive-Bys
    it’s going to make it to the American people because we’re not going to
    let go of that, just like we’re not going to let go of this.  

    is not just about abortion.  This is about the hubris, brazen arrogance
    of a foolish, dangerous woman who as Speaker of the House is on a
    mission total folly; making a mockery of not only sacred beliefs, but
    common sense and intelligence on a daily basis.  This is the woman who
    said that Obama is “a gift from God.”  His leadership and talents are a
    gift from God.  So if that’s how they’re going to appeal to the values
    voters and if they want to bring abortion up, if they want to bring it
    up in this campaign we’re going to welcome it.  We will welcome them
    bringing it up again.  They cannot win on this, no matter how they fool
    themselves.  The American people did not vote Roe v. Wade.  A bunch of
    liberal judges on the Supreme Court wearing black robes did it, and the
    American people have never had their say on it.  And this is another
    way liberals fool themselves into thinking they are the majority, when
    they are not.  

    Read the Background Material… HotAir: Pelosi lies about Catholicism and Abortion – Ed Morrissey
    Human Events: Obama in His Own Words: There Is No Doubt He Supported Infanticide

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